UPDATED: Pat Bateman: Has "Gay-For-Pay" Had It's Day?
How does the above image make you feel? Confused? Angry? Insulted? Horny? Pat Bateman says he's straight, but take the magazine away and what have you got left? Hmmmm...
UPDATE (1/27): Apparently, Pat Bateman is gay-for-pay in more ways than one. We found his escort ad online and for the bargain price of $1000, he'll fuck you with a titty mag on your back! Check out his profile, AFTER THE JUMP!
Everyday here at QueerClick, we enjoy featuring "gay-for-pay" performers, that is, guys who do gay pornography but maintain that, off-camera, they are straight. This includes some big names such as Reese Rideout and Zeb Atlas, many of the Sean Cody boys, and many others we feature day-to-day. Pat Bateman, in particular, has recently raised the hackles of some gay porn lovers because of his reading preferences while fucking.
In a video on FalconStr8Men, Bateman fucked Marc Stone doggie style while looking at a boobie mag resting on the Stone's back. It portrays a sort of straight boi bravado a la "Hey dudes... lemme show you just how much I'm totally NOT INTO this gay buttsex I'm having right now. Sure his manhole feels like warm moist poon, but there's totally NO WAY I could even keep my shit rock hard unless i was lookin' at some fly titty bitches to help me keep me up. Y'know what I'm sayin'? HOLLA AT'CHA BOY!!!" That's just one take on it, but one that's been shared by at least two other blogs: the Gay Porn Times and Fleshbot.
The Gay Porn Times, cites porn performer Tre Xavier who posted the following comments in his blog, in response to Bateman's scene. The post is lovingly called, What Recruiting Bitches Deserve:
I think that to all media, producers and viewers who are dumb enough to be recruiters by making the whole gay-for-pay scenario seem like good entertainment, this is exactly the kind of behavior you deserve. Having this rubbed in their faces with such humiliation. I'm glad to see it.
If viewers make enough noise about their anger towards this as they have here, maybe these producers will hire some gay or bi MEN. I emphasize MEN, because a real man is secure enough to admit that he is gay or bi, instead of the bullshit "I'm straight, but I find gay sex fun, too."If these guys find gay sex fun as well, then they should stop being wimpy bitches and admit to being bi.
Xavier goes on to blame gay-for-pay with promoting gay self-loathing, hetero-phobia, and even gay bashing as he equates "gay-for-pay" with the idea of gay recruitment. Xavier raises an interesting argument. What's the allure and consequence of "gay-for-pay" anyway?
For starters, gay-for-pay does play into the fantasy of getting a straight guy to go gay, if even for a night. Enough drinks, money, or seduction could turn any guy gay—that's the fantasy anyway. The newness, awkwardness, and objectification of both the "str8" dude and his lover in a fuck scene is enough to make us spring a boner just writing about it. Finally! That unrequited crush with the hunk you liked from high school, college, or yesterday at work gets fulfilled and we pop a load in celebration. To those who equate maleness with sexual orientation, str8 performers also exude a masculine mystique. Gay performers are just doing on video what they'd be doing anyway, but a str8 man in gay porn? He has to really want it... or so the thinking goes.
What then about Mr. Bateman? Is he really throwing it in our faces by looking at a boobie mag while fucking a dude? Call us old-fashioned, but we here at QueerClick prefer substance over style. No matter his reading preferences, Bateman's still FUCKING A GUY and last time we checked, that's just about the gayest thing you can do, no matter your stated orientation. Not that QC's into labels, far from it. But it seems to us that "gay-for-pay" is little other than a genre type. Whether it perpetuates self-loathing and hetero-phobia as Tre says, those have many other causes outside of the porn scene. Backing up Tre's a claim is perhaps better left to social scientists. To us, "gay-for-pay" seems a somewhat arbitrary label. We didn't feel even remotely insulted by Bateman's bravado. However you wanna get your rocks off is fine by us—of course, we enjoy all sorts of freaky shit. But still, the more the merrier!
There's one other thing though... consider the following video. It's an interview Bateman did with College Dudes 24/7 after an initial performance:
Sure he's sarcastic, but he's got a nice body and a pretty hot dick. Whether you like his answers and his use of bottoms as coffee tables or not, you still might not mind sucking his cock... or even better, having him suck yours—labels be damned.
What strikes us is that Bateman actually felt less comfortable with the idea of even seeing two men kiss before being in gay porn himself. Now he realizes it's not a big deal. Sure, there's money where his mouth is, but it suggests that there might even be something socially progressive in "gay-for-pay." It's the act, not the perception that's most important. By blurring the distinction between gay and straight behavior, gay-for-pay breaks down the constraining preconceptions of sexual orientation and reinforces the idea that sexuality is fluid and ever-changing. If other so-called straight guys would just relax and realize that kissing or fooling around with a dude doesn't "make you gay," that labels in and of themselves are meaningless, we might actually have less homophobia and self-loathing, the idea of male straightness no longer needing constant protection and proving against us dastardly gays.
What do you think?
UPDATE (1/27): Here's his escort profile. Whad'ya say? Any takers?
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I can understand the fantasy, but watching akward Gay 4 Pay performers not kiss, blow, touch or rim is pathetic. Sure, it was a turn on the first time I saw it, but it's about time websites come up with other fantasies to portray instead of copying each other. I'm over Gay 4 Pay and WAY over Patrick Bateman!
I for one, LOVE gay for pay and particularly love it where the guys really ARE first timers and straight (Chaos, StraightFrat). I don't understand the use of Pat Bateman here, without mentioning that he has been in gay for pay for over a year now (mostly shown here on QC). In scenes where he has not used magazines. What I find "insulting" is where producers outright lie (First time getting head! First time on camera!) and pretend we are ignorant to other sites where these models have performed before. I, for one, have unsubscribed to sites that have done that, for example Militaryclassified.
EDITORS: Not all studios lie: 1) Many times, a studio will be the first to shoot a new model and then that model will go to another studio the next day who will *release* the video before the first studio. 2) *Models* frequently lie. QC gets requests from our friends at the studios before they shoot a model to ask us if we've seen that particular elsewhere (we seem to remember a lot of faces!). Often, the model tells the studio they've *never* done porn, but they have.
I Think that this is more of a G4P cliche than a "fuck you" to the industry. I've seen other videos (for example Eagle's Straight to BB 3) where this happens, although generally it's just something to get things started. Why is this any different from G4P men watching Straight Porn on a tv that is off camera, but easily seen in a nearby mirror?
Honestly I feel that in the end being straight, gay, or bi has to do more with the emotional side of love and sex is about lust and maybe even fantasy I think this Pat Bateman video is the perfect depiction of that. I myself am a straight man but enjoy watching/lusting over gay porn and physically attractive men. But for me emotionally women are for me. Another thing to remember is these videos are entertainment and like watching tv sometimes a show has an episode that you're not too crazy about. The men in these videos are pretty much actors getting paid to put on a show. Many of these guys jump from site to site claiming to have never to done something that clearly they did several times on another site. That's cool if you like it and also cool if you don't. If you're that offended by it shoot a suggestion to the site letting them know what you thought. A lot of times they'll make adjustments in future videos. enough said. now let's go enjoy a good wank.
I agree with editors that is tough to keep track and that models lies, but contracts have clauses for these models to certify that what they claim is true, i.e. that they have not performed elsewhere.
I really couldn't care less. As long as the gay for pay is willing to do what it means to be gay in the scene, i.e kiss, fuck, suck, rim who cares who they lay with off camera. I'm certain that with the complex spectrum of sexuality, there are those performers who look at porn as a business. They put in their time, do what is asked of them, get paid and go home, and have no attatchment to what they are being paid to do. While there are no doubt others who find themselves discovering(whether they wish to or not) things about themselves sexually that they didn't think existed. I just can't stand the egocentricity of some of these guys who lease their name and likeness to "gay oriented" sites and they won't do anything remotely GAY. Like Cody Cummings for example. If they are the least bit sqeamish about doing man on man sex, they ought to do straight porn or stay out of the industry all together. There are too many performers who are willing to work hard for their coins, without alot of stipulations of what they WILL OR WON'T do to waste time on the "Look but don't touch" idiots of porn
People are always throwing around the term "FLUID" when it comes to sexuality, so what does this really mean , that gay men will start sleeping with women and straight guys with men? or will it just be everybody does everybody whenever they feel like it? I have never been attracted to women, I have slept with a couple of them but in no way do I consider myself BI , it was a means of sorting out my own sexuality. WHY is it so constraining to be GAY, STRAIGHT or BI which I think alot of these gay-for-pay guys are. I know alot of straight guys and can say they would never have sex with another guy, but they respect my being gay. So I don't quite get the FLUID and ever changing sexuality line. And as for str8 guys in gay porn, some really know how to get into it and I really get off on watching them fuck, because they LOOK like they're having fun, others are so mechanical its like watching robots fucking on command. I'm happy being gay and really don't care if my sexuality is fluid! and thats my 2cents :)
Gay for pay is such a bullshit term. I myself have seen reese out and about in weho and rann into a few guys from Cody at gay bars in FL that so called "gay-for-pay" bratman fucked. I was told that it's only a front so that people who like that genre can get into him as a "gay-for-pay actress"... You fuck guys .... Your Gay. Period. You don't fuck guys, your NOT GAY.... there shouldn't be a "grey Area".
Reese Rideout str8t? I really don't think so...;)
How is gay for pay any different than straight porn having two babes making out for straight guys to have a wank to? Straight men don't give a shit if those girls are lesbians in real life. Or if it's their first time. And it certainly doesn't equate to hetero self-loathing. That there is a titty magazine in the Bateman film is just bad porn. How could the producers think that was part of their audience's fantasy?
Who cares if a model is lying about their orientation or whether it's their first time. Everything about porn is a lie. The guys in Powertool aren't REALLY in jail. And does anyone really believe Reese Rideout isn't gay? And what does it matter? The only attention this Bateman film should have gotten was over how lame it was they allowed him a magazine in the shot. Not hot.
Pat Bateman sure didn't look very straight in the video where he's getting fucked for the first time (supposedly). His expression said that he was hot, bothered, and loving it!
"Gay for pay," my ass. There is footage out there of Pat Bateman sucking dick and being raw dicked in the ass. It doesn't get much gayer than that. The girlie magazines and moaning females from the TV in the background are merely PROPS to further blow the smokescreen. Spare me the tired excuse about gay porn paying more. So what? If he or these production companies are fooling anyone, it's only themselves. Bateman is about as "straight" as I am, and I'm gay.
My biggest problem with Patrick Bateman is not that he seems like a douche, but that I've never really thought he was all that hot (unlike LOTS of the other supposedly "straight models". Oh, and btw, what's up with the creepy single eye blinking thing?
I really like the idea of a straight guy falling for a guy, but gay-for-pay seems more like a straight guy settling for a guy. I wouldn't want to be just a warm hole. But I'm an outsider in all this.
At first I have to say I hate that guys who fuck other guys call themselves straight. It really turns me off sometimes that guys on Sean Cody for example say oh I'm straight, I have a girlfriend, I lick pussy, fuck my gf in the ass, whatever... You can tell that they're totally making it up.
But after a while, it's all acting. It's all entertainment. As for the "Pat Bateman" case (he's on so many sites by so many different names I'm sick of him) it's not offensive. There are a lot of takes on any particular discussion, everybody has their reason to think a particular way. For me, it's not offensive because sometimes you want a guy, even if he's not into you, he's a jerk whatever, but you want his body. So that's what you get.
Whatever gets you off you watch. For me, Definitely not this stupid dumb fuck above, just cuz his cockiness is very condescending instead of confident and cool cockiness. And just cuz his face is everywhere.
I like Chaosmen. The guys are diverse (in looks). If this fuck gets on that site, I'm gonna be pissed.
its a double edged knife, gay men are obsessed with str8 acting, str8 looking, and essentially str8 men. more and more,they need to "prove" that they are str8 to keep the fantasy real. lets face it, every gay man has had at least one str8 man crush. these fantasies are the wishful thinking that everyone can have gay sex.
on a side note, its also insulting to many str8 men as the whole idea of "any man will have sex with a another man for some $"
For an alleged straight guy, Pat's hand gestures in the interview video are pretty darn gay.
bennigan, Pat has been on Chaos under the name Gram.
I don't care if the porn actor gay or straight or wtv. He needs to show his passion for sex. CorbinFisher and SeanCody, always has the best G4P sex. These men claim they're not gay, yet they ooze sexually. No titties magazines, yet they delivery the most passionate sex ever. Pounding like mad rabbits, kissing like there is diamond in the mouths, cuddling like...real gays, who thought they are G4P? G4P is not over because of these actors. Pat Bateman is the over one.
I don't mind the straight performers on Sean Cody, Randy Blue or Corbin Fisher. Its a fantasy for me and probably for them. BUT, even if you're "straight" and doing it for the money, at least turn off the straight video while sucking and fucking, get into the moment, enjoy it. I'm talking about all those Active Duty vids. Its insulting to us gay men and a turn-off.
QC makes some good points, but Marcus' reply pretty much sums up the whole controversy:
"That there is a titty magazine in the Bateman film is just bad porn. ... Everything about porn is a lie."
It's a matter of what lies turn you on. A straight guy having gay sex "for the first time?" Or who can only have gay sex if he's simultaneously looking at straight porn? A guy who'll do it if the money's good enough?
If that's not your thing stop whining, just don't support it. Let the guys who DO get off on it have their thing. I don't begrudge scat fans their thing, I just don't watch any of it. The "straight" fantasy happens to turn me on (maybe because I've had sex with more straight guys than gay? Who knows ...).
If you're worried about the psychological meaning of your porn, you're way too involved.
His hands seem really, REALLY gay in the clip ... and is he trying to be cute and sexy with that eye winking thing? Or has he suffered a mini stroke due to poppers abuse? Either way, he's not hot, straight or gay.
Most of us, at one time or another, have had a crush on a hopelessly straight guy. Not a pleasant experience.Why anyone would want to relive that through a video fantasy is a mystery. Personally, I won't spend a dime on sites that claim to have straight guys doing gay sex.
The story this guy tells on the video is not believable in the least. If he's straight then George Bush is a MENSA member. And his fat ass should lose a few pounds, too.
I think its all an act the whole gfp thing just say your bi sexual and move on and if youre doing it on the internet for the world to see at what point do you stop saying im straight gay sex is gay sex a dollar doesnt get your dick hard firstT ime round you can buy it but time and time again get real thats like saying I smoke weed but I dont inhale The guy Pat was doing should be insulted although its just a prop to feed some str8 gay fantasy but having sex with some one youre there are ya not dont pretend even if youre getting paid
If I see another ad for "straight-acting" guys on any gay personals site, I'll vomit. Why front like you're not gay? I didn't come out so that I could be shoved back into some pigeon hole. My dick is bigger than most everyone I know and I've got plenty of testosterone to go around. I don't need to pretend that I'm some rough and tumble straight guy to get sex. I like being girly some days I like being boyish others. I play by my own rules and I dig others who do to. Beats pretending to be something I'm not.
Keep in mind that all of these sites are funded by our $$$$s. The sites produce what they produce and cast the actors based upon what they think the gays are gonna like. This is partially a capitalism issue. If you don't like it, don't give that site your dollars.
As for whether or not this is psychological...as a psychologist, I believe this shit reeks of self-loathing. Our fantasies provide us all with some psychological fulfillment, which varies from person to person. However, that we as a community fall for this gfp bullshit is indicative of how much we actually value ourselves, and it indicates how much the larger hetero culture has determined what is to be desirable and beautiful and valued. Why the hell would you look in the mirror and say, "I don't want you. I want some straight boy who would probably kick my ass if he knew I wanted to be with him. Yes, that's the pain I deserve in my life, because I'm a queer."
I think it's funny that some of you guys are in denial and DO NOT want to beleive that some of these models (most of them in fact) ARE indeed straight! I can tell you that I have met lots of them and they are actually VERY straight and actually, sometime they are prety homophobic too. A $2,000 check though can make peopel do a lot of things. Some of these gay for pay models have tried to do straight porn BUT got turned away for not having a big enough penis so they start doing gay porn. And Gram 's first video was on chasmen. he did a scene with Slade! That shoot took forever because "gram" had to watch straight porn the whole time during the shoot. Sean Cody models hae to take breaks all the time during the shoots to watch straight porn too. Dont live in denial! These guys are STRAIGHT but they act. Porn is all about acting after all.
Yeah, I guess it's technically possible that these guys are just so desperate for money or attention that they're straight and have sex with guys. Lots of us had sex with women at one point.
But what bugs me is when I hear actual young gay men saying stupid shit like "I love Corbin Fisher. The guys are hot and the sex is amazing and the guys are all straight like me."
Bullshit sites like Corbin Fisher claiming that all the models are straight (Andy Honda claimed to be straight on Corbin Fisher but was openly gay on Fratmen) leads young gay men to think they can be straight but only have sex with guys. Fucks them up royal in the head.
You have to applaud Sean Cody that he's finally allowing his models like Barry who could "pass for straight" to be openly gay. Makes it hotter to me.
im continually bothered by all the guys that say they are"strait" on these sites. although I enjoy their pics..... sorry but anyone who sucks dick and fuck's ass and then often they at some point are seen getting fucked is in no way "strait" but far be it from me to mess with you alls fantasies....I just find it a bit insulting. strait guys don't have sex with other guys. period. sorry guys you are gay
We're quickly entering a 'post-gay' society - younger adults don't like to be labeled based on their sexual behavior, and that's a welcome change. Throughout history, most evolved cultures have not viewed sexuality as a cut-and-dried, "straight OR gay" proposition... recognizing that sexuality is, indeed, fluid.
I think the G4P phenom appeals mostly to older gay guys who wish society had been more open to sexual fluidity when they were in their 20s.
If a guy is willing to perform with another guy, that's all that really matters. What they do in their private life is not really pertinent to their job.
Pat b here. it was the director's idea to put the magazine there. i thought it was funny/original, and assumed since it was called "falcon straight men" that its subscribers were turned on to the fact that the actors were straight. if you guys don't like g4p, then you're going hate the fact that 9/10 guys on every shoot are straight; but, instead of complaining, why don't you just not watch the porn. if someone out there were putting content out for my benefit--whether he be straight or gay--i'd thank him, and support him rather than bitch. that's all. i'm done.
Patrick Bateman doesn't claim to be straight on his profile above. He says he's bisexual. I don't mind g4p. The idea of two straight guys making out with each other is incredibly hot for me. Bi or straight, keep doing what you're doing, Patrick!
Well, I'm going to have to agree with the Tyra show on this issue. I think it's unfair that "straight" men are in the gay porn industry to take advantage of the label of being gay or doing gay things. People like Aaron James, Pat Bateman, Dean Coxx, Cody Cummings, and even yes power bottom Kurt Wild make me angry in terms of their doing gay for pay. I mean, seriously? Kurt wild is married with 3 children and he's getting it up the ass all the time. He doesn't identify with being gay or AT LEAST Bi! All of these "gay for pay" actors are in a world of hurt eventually if and when they decide to have children who will uncover their dirty past. It's just not fair that people can pretend to be something that is constantly under scrutiny and get away with all the baggage of being gay when us gays are constantly trying to defend ourselves from the heterosexual bigots of America. All I ask is that you at least admit that you're bi and that you're willing to stand up for the label you hide behind in order to profit. It's like lying about your identity to further your career, it's unfair and ridiculous.
MMMM......well I've been GAY for PAY for 44 years now, but havent get my check yet. But in the meantime and while i get pay...I AM HAVING FUN!
OMG!
Greg...I could not have said it better myself. Pat (if that really is you) keep doing what you do.
Your protest would be a lot more convincing if you didn't include this douche in a new video update just about everyday....
Greg, judging by your comments you are obviously old. Speaking as someone young, 20, we are not entering a post gay society nor are young people rejecting labels.
Young people are usually the first to put a label onto anything and that includes sexuality. The only ones that seem to perpetuate this myth of fluid sexuality are those that are firmly in denial in their mother’s closet.
Also, some cultures that have incorporated homosexuality into their lifestyle (usually called pederasty) have viewed it as cut and dried. Usually it has only been in one stage of their life, they are not supposed to carry on having homosexual affairs forever within their society.
No what they do in their private life is their business Greg, however it becomes an issue when they openly say ‘I’m Gay for Pay” then they drag us into their private world when we know for a fact that they are liars as money cannot alter a sexuality, it can merely provide extra encouragement for feelings that already exist and bring them to the fore.
Pat B I doubt you are the person that started this whole discussion. Though how the hell would anyone know in the industry who was ‘straight’. You are only going by what they tell you and in a businesses where the perceived notion that claiming you are straight earns you more money it is no surprise 9/10 and say they are straight.
I doubt the ‘real’ Bateman is straight; anybody that is willing to bottom for a stranger is not straight. They are a closet homosexual.
I understand that a lot of the anti G4P reactions above come from men who have suffered from the oppression of straight culture and find comfort in a simplistic gay/straight divide.
Research seems to show that men can disconnect lust/sex from emotions/love more easily than women. They seem to need "just get off" more often. Therefore many of them will be more willing to "let off some steam" with another man 'cos it's so easy. One would be surprised by the number of family cars (often with baby seats) one will find parked at roadside meeting places. This doesn't make all those men bi or gay. They just want some quick sex.
Also, anal pleasure says nothing about gay or straight. The rectum has a lot of nerve endings that make it an an erotically sensitive area regardless of gender or sexual preference. I know married couples who use anal toys in their love-making. And I know gays who don't like to get fucked. Ever heard of the Kinsey scale?
Bi or gay isn't about what one does sexually, but how one relates emotionally to one's sexual preference. That's why youngsters nowadays have a "blurred" perception of all those unnecessary pigeonholes. And are willing to try things out if it feels good, and occasionally if it pays well.
My only concern is that those kids (some are still kids at 25...) are (made) aware of their own boundaries. They might cross them once and never regret it later 'cos it made them realize that life is not black-'n-white. But if they are consistently pushed too far by producers with $$$, they are in danger of getting damaged for the rest of their lives. The resulting psychological scars may negatively affect their views about sexual freedom and tolerance. Then the actual gay and bi men and women would loose more than they ever gained from a culture of free exploration of one's sexual curiosity.
You screw a guys butt, you have gay tendencies or are gay. Stop putting other labels on it guys and fess up to who you really are...
Mike, by "old," I assume you mean older than 20. I'm proud to have made it to 42 and have am proud to have carried the straight, bi and gay labels at various points in my life. I've already forgotten more about life and sex than a 20-year-old has yet learned. So, here's a little insight based on that experience: G4P performers are not liars or closet cases - they are doing a JOB. No one accuses a stripper who dresses as a cop of being a "liar" because he doesn't carry a badge in real life. Porn, my boy, is fantasy. It ain't real. What's happening in your pants is real. Stop judging others' behavior and just worry about your own. You'll be happier! Trust grampa on this.
Who cares? He's not even hot.
Well Pat Batemen actually identifies as BISEXUAL in his Rentboy ad.
Notice how none of these guys can deal with the term bisexual.
Mason Wiler was also G4P for Corbin Fisher at his debuts! LOL
As for Bateman : gay or straight, he 's 1/ despisefull 2/ not so sexy... Both together makes him really not pleasant to watch and I think the producers should be responsable for imposing to their models a minimum of respect towards the audience they target.
talk about over exposure... i'm sick of this guy.
This guy has never commanded my attention, but I'm grateful for all the straight boys playing gay. I like looking. There are a couple of super-hot escorts in the Denver area who claim to be straight, and who can't resist a few hundred bucks to get their dick sucked, their balls licked and their ass teased. Hell, after too many drinks and no kind ladies, a stray frat boy after last call is practically a sure thing.
This is Trent Atkins writing about this gay for pay business. I have been out of the industry loop for a couple of years now but wanted to send something in about this. I have had the misfortune of having to work with many so called gay for pay models. At the end of day you are having sexual intercourse with a dude for 1,000-1,500. Is that really enough money to bring you out of the cornfield and STRAIGHT into GAY sex? If so then maybe you aren't so straight after all. The worst part is having to wait hours on end for them to keep their dicks hard when you are starving and just want to get the shoot over with, get paid, and go home. I had the wonderful, pun intended, experience of a 10 hour shoot where my huge muscle bound, tattooed, gay for pay top spent hours watching straight porn and finally had a personal dvd player laid on my stomach while fucking me missionary so he could get off. It's one of the reasons why I chose not to make movies anymore. It was boring, annoying, and a waste of my time. Trust me guys, the end result of what you see on film is a bore when you have had to go through working with some of these guys. On the flip side there are some that have been extremely professional, a lot of fun to work with, and got the job done. Those guys realized that it was a job, turned of their idiot "im not gay dude" attitudes, got their dicks hard, shot their wads, collected the money, and went home. If you want to see a hot straight guy naked, go watch a straight porn.
The fact of the matter is that no matter what those guys say, you've had dicks like, on you, in you, and all around you, and that's pretty damn gay. So keep living your fantasy where you get to have all this hot boy sex without any of the social oppression of being labeled gay or bi. Of course you're not gay, why else would you be plugging away at some boys behind, solid as an oak?
Seriously, build a bridge, and get the fuck over yourself.
I'll definitely complain if I don't like and that scene I didn't like. Who watches porn for laughs? The director deserves a prize for being an idiot, if in fact it was his idea. I can't believe Marc Stone didn't protest, but I guess he was just trying to earn his paycheck. I understand it's all fantasy & illusion, but that was just a total buzzkill. I don't even mind the whole G4P thing, but that was just straight up offensive.
An open letter to "Pat Bateman" and other G4P performers:
I would like to state: It's your prerogative to label yourself whatever you want-gay for pay, straight but curious, bisexual, etc. It's your right to have casual sex, and live the life you lead as you wish.
But, please remember too, just as you have the right to chose how to lead your life, I have the right to stand up for what I believe.
"... it was the director's idea to put the magazine there. i thought it was funny/original, and assumed since it was called "falcon straight men" that its subscribers were turned on to the fact that the actors were straight."
OK. Point taken, you didn't request the mag and thought it would be more appealing to the viewers. I will give you the benefit of the doubt on this account.
"If you guys don't like g4p, then you're going hate the fact that 9/10 guys on every shoot are straight; but, instead of complaining, why don't you just not watch the porn."
Very true. If you don't like it - don't watch it. I might want to encourage people to do so as you've indicated.
"if someone out there were putting content out for my benefit--whether he be straight or gay--i'd thank him, and support him rather than bitch."
I feel there is a serious cancer growing within the community (the gay one; not yours) so posting my views it an attempt at vetting those issues that are appearing. I'm going to bitch, as you put it, to try and work them out - I have that right, just as you have the right to post or not post. You could even as act you intelligently put it: "if you don't like it-don't view it" So you don't like the postings then don't read them.
Furthermore, Let's call a spade a spade - your really not doing anything significant to garner appreciation. Don't make yourself out to be a martyr. Your having sex on film - not helping starving children in Africa. So if you feeling unappreciated and unliked, you should start to realize soon: your having sex on camera and being paid for it... you better get used to always ruffling feathers the wrong way: either via conservative groups, your family and friends, or your fans (Choice of barebacking/sexual label). You've exposed yourself (figuratively speaking) to the public and the subject to it's criticism. It's a luxury to have privacy and the freedom to pursuit your desires without detractors. It this very same reason why there are millions of gays and lesbians in the closet. I'm trying to change things so those people won't need to feel this way and proudly come out.
For some people porn is a lifetime career others it's a brief moment in their lives. **Performers often state, that sex on camera is not the same as in the real world, there is no intimacy and your thoughts are on taking care of business rather than pleasure. Despite this subtle difference in porn to "actual sex", you can kind of think Porn is similar to sexuality in how it can play out in peoples lives: some stay gay (lifetime) others move on after losing interest (brief moment). But there is one main difference between the two: porn is a crutch - both for the performer and the viewer. It is a means to an end for the performer and viewer: either by getting cash to pay bills from performing or to get sexual satisfaction that is lacking in the viewers lives. But I don't think it being a crutch is a negative, and this is NOT the source of my gripes with it unlike other socially conservative people.
I can point the source of my frustration: I tend fool myself into thinking that performers (Both groups of gay and straight films) must have some kind of open free of morality view of sexuality in order to act it out on camera - as such, I would think they would be more open to homosexuality and view it as perfectly natural expression of love. But performers like you remind me otherwise. Just as the straight industry will not award gay films at their AVN's, the gay porn industry will have G4P.
I understand now, I will never get the affirmation I'd like for my identity. I will have to get used to it just like I have with the rest of society. Kinsey once said that porn is a reflection of both societies desire and it's ills.(Paraphrasing some degree)
I reiterate you have the right to identify yourself as you wish. Despite our differences, I can sympathize with your experiences of being criticized for just being who you are.
But I have to ask, why you won't come forward as gay? Especially since it seems the two can relate - in terms of criticism and forms of hatred. What's the loss and saying your gay, when you enjoy men?
But again, it's your prerogative to do so - and I would never make you choose.
If you suck a dick, fuck a guy, get fucked or sucked...You are gay. Period.
Well, I pay $1000 for the night and it was fantastic. He is gentil, very sexy and have a gorgeous dick. We talk about many things, it was fun. He fucked me very hard and passionate. Gay for pay my ass, this guy is as Big Gay Al from South Park.
I dont get it.
I thought the LGBT movement was about freedom of sexual expression --- not pigeon-hole-ing someone into a label. Sex is a psychologically complicated thing. There are infinite interpretations of how things should be---but more about what we like anyway sometimes. Gay people should seriously understand that....shouldnt they? Leave this guy alone in enjoying himself how he wants to. His identity a straight is as important to him as gay is to many of you....and it's not wrong to like more than one thing. Why be so angry and predatory? Besides it's just sex. Moreover....it's JUST PORN. People are into alot more deviant crap than THIS....dear lord arent they? And why not? We all need to relax at the end of the day. Besides, gay-for-pay wouldnt have been such a phenom, however long it lasts, if lots of people hadnt been pumping money into it---'cause they liked it.
"Pat Bateman" was my neighbor for a while, he hit on me everyday and even ran around naked some when he thought I would see him. The only problem I have with him is that he was constantly making fun of people... men, women, whoever walked by, and it made him seem like a real narrow minded jerk. I didnt know about his porn b.s. at the time, but now it all makes sense. He didnt know anything about me, never had a conversation about my sexuality and to assume that I would jump hoops to sleep with him was kinda insulting. It's pretty simple, if you have sex with guys u like it, call it what u will, but it's not straight.
"I thought the LGBT movement was about freedom of sexual expression --- not pigeon-hole-ing someone into a label."
Actually it wasn't about that at all. It was about not getting arrested, beat up or fired for who you are.
Label is the term closeted gay people bring up to avoid having to identify who they are.
any news about andy honda now? has he really retired?
Pat is so HOTTTTTTTTTT. I think he's great and wish him all the best.
It's a double edged sword - human acting that is, sexual and non-sexual alike. There is no acting without a human being, yet the human being is the problem. Instinctively, people want take the actions and behaviors of another human as an actual reflection of who they really are. Some people successfully find a happy area between that thin line dividing fantasy and reality, but it's not really a natural ability. So I can understand why people take things like this personally. Actors tend to be personalized.
This gay-for-pay concept is so retarded. As I bi male I'm not offended by the scene, but I just find the Gay For Pay thing a turn off. If a guy was really THAT straight, why would he be having sex with a another guy in the first place? Wouldn't that make him at least bi?
pate bateman wrote "then you're going hate the fact that 9/10 guys on every shoot are straight"
That doesn't seem very believeable, pat, if that's really who you are anyways. sounds like a statisic made up on the spot. Give me a fucking break